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Nelson Eliza Ann

Female 1843 - 1921  (78 years)


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  • Name Nelson Eliza Ann 
    Born 21 Jan 1843  Saint Peter's, Dorchester, Dorsetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Female 
    Census 1851  ,Lytchett Matravers, Dorsetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    • Elizabet Nelson Daughter 8 abt 1843 Female Dorchester Dorset England
    Immigration Dec 1852  ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Ship - Bombay
    Name Eliza Ann Elms 
    Name Eliza Jane Nelson 
    Residence 7 Jun 1861  Fife Street, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    _ATTR 1874  [4
    Sues in court 
    • Eliza sues James for assault. Case dismissed. They are living apart at this time.
    Died 18 Nov 1921  96 Ramsden Street, Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [5, 6, 7
    Cause: Arterio sclerosis, gangrene of leg, heart failure. 
    Buried 19 Nov 1921  New Melbourne Cemetery,, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    • Grave R. C. G***2643
    Notes 
    • Signed name - could write
    • This may be Eliza:
      AN AFFILIATION CASE.

      ' A remarkable caso of this nature was heard

      ¡ yeBterdayat the East Collingwood police-court,

      I before the Hon. Mr. Vaughan ' and Mr.

      Thomas. The complainant was a Miss Eliza.

      I Kelson, and the defondant one Patrick M'Carthy, I late a car-driver, who had been brought down, | .under warrant, from Bacchus Marsh, at tho ap-

      plication of the complainant. Mr. John Ed- wards appeared for the defendant. The evidence [ -was as follows :

      Eliza NelBon, sworn.-I have been at service, and since that living with my mother, but am not i doing so now. I have known M'Carthy for mora I than threo years. He is the father of the child.I > hold in my arms. I asked him what he intended

      to do for it. He told mo he would marry me ; but after that ho went away. He promised mo / marriage over so many times before ho becamo I tho father of my child. .

      i Cross-examined by Mr. Edwards.-It. was

      ! in consequence of his promises of marriage ' that I was seduced. I cannot tell hoy/ i long ago that was, but I remember the 6th

      j of May last year, when he promised to I marry me. (Witness described how on that day I sho consented to defendant's wishes.) Ho pro I mised me marriage two years ago, and again a i month ago. I have seen one Pat Delany, but

      not for two years. I don't know what ho was. I know Billy Cartlego, but he went up the bush 12 months since. My child is six months old. I know Nick the blacksmith, but only by seeing him with Pat. I never allowed any one of them to take liberties with me, nor have I gone with thom, to the burying-ground. (Witness nere described the several occasions on .'which BIIO had been

      i intimate with tho defendant.) Tho first time

      was two and a half years ago, when I was only 14 years old. I am now IG and a half. He has asked my mother's consent to marry ma. I have boon living with somo cousins on tho Plenty-road, and it was there my child was born. I was living with my mother on tho 6th of May, 1859, nnd I nover saw the defendant afterwards

      till about two months before I was confined, no promised then to como and seo me again, but h 1 never did till July last. I took out the summons at the advice of my friends. No one but the defendant was ever improperly intimate wit'a

      me.

      Mrs. Borders deposed-to having seen defendant in conversation with Miss Nelson on the 10th of

      July last, and again on the 15th July. About threo years ago she saw them togethor in a butcher's shop. She had always believed Miss Nelson to bo most respectable

      Mrs. Elizabeth Nelson, sworn.-I am the mother of the girl. I havo known the defendant to havo been paying attentions to my daughter for tho last threo years.- Ho promised to marry

      J her, and asked my consent. Tho day was fixed.

      i That was about a year and a half ago. I did not I know that anything improper was going on till j the child was born. I saw the defendant on the

      lGth of July last. He called at my houso, and I asked for Eliza. I said, " You know what is up ; I j ou know you havo a child." He said, " Yes, I am. j going to seo her." I said, " You know what you

      have to do for that child." Ho said, " It's all right."

      CroBs-examined by Mr. Edwards.-I know they were fond of each othor, and I gavo my consent because I know it would make no difference. I knew my daughter was so young that whether I gave my consent or not I thought it would bo all tho same. I never knew my daughter to bo flighty. I know what you mean. She has been a good girl. Sho has boon getting her own living ever since BIIO was 11 years old. Defendant 1 never told me ho thought her conduct improper.

      1 I don't know thnt ho is married. I don't believe I ho in. I said plainly to him, " You know what ¡ you havo to do for tho child," and he said, " It's ! all right."

      | Mr. Edwards said his client denied over having I Leen improperly intimato with tho complainant. Ho (Mr. Edwards) had warned his client to speak only the truth, but ho still adhered to his story.

      Macarthy was thon sworn.

      Mr. Thomas.-Now, mind you have sworn to tell the truth. _ Don't forget what the conse- quence of a lie will bo.

      Macarthy.-I know. It is three years ago since I first know the girl. I fell in love with her, and promised to marry hor. That was broken off two and a half years ago, because sho went about with Bill Cartridge and Pat Delany, and Ned the blacksmith. I told her of this, and the match was broken off. I havo been married myself two years and five months. I was nover on any occasion improperly intimate with that girl. I i ried to bo once, butBho refused. (Witness here denied that he had been with the girl at tho several places she had indicated. )

      Mr. Thomas (to the complainant).-Now, my girl, do you wish to ask tho witness anything?

      Miss Nelson.-Yes, sir. Oh, Pat,'eau you look mein the faoe, and say what you havo said 1

      Macarthy (in a low tone of voice),-Yes, I can. The lion. Mr. Vaughan.-Was there no ono present at any interview ?

      Macarthy.-No, sir.

      Mrs. Nelson.-You nover denied it to me.

      Macarthy (to Mr. Edwards).-I went down to Mrs. Nelson's last July, and asked for Eliza. Mrs. Nelson said, " You know that Eliza has had

      a child by you." %I said, " AU right." I Said " all right because I had been told of the ohild before. I went thoro to seo how it was that tho child was fathered on mo. I have taken her to St. Kilda and Williamstown, and to Richmond, in my cub, and'the like of that. I kept company avith her for 12 months. I positively swear I had nothing to do with her.

      Miss Nelson.-No, no. Oh, how can you?

      Macarthy (to Mrs. Nelson).-You nover said nothing to mo about keeping the child. My mother told mo you was fathering the child on ino, and I came to see about it.

      This concluded the case.

      Mr. Edwards submitted that the 8th section of No. 4 Viet. 5, which was as follows, " Provided that no man may bo taken to bo tho fathor of any illegitimate child upon the oath of the mother only," clearly placed it out of the power

      of tho bench to make an ordor. In this case the girl was tho only witness.

      Mrs. Nelson.-But ho owned it to me.

      The lion. Mr. Vaughan.-Wo are satisfied that you aro right, Mr. Edwards. There is no evidence hero except that of the mother of the child. There must havo beon fearful perjury on one side or the othor, but tho bench docs not know on which. The case is dismissed. In dismissing tho case, the bench wish to remark that thoro have been some strictures in one of the loading journals, reflecting on the decision arrived at by the benoh in tho case of Brittor. The reasons which influenced the bench to name tho low Bum of 10s. per weok wore, that the complainant ac- knowledged to having had a child four yoars before sho had this. If thoy had ordered pay- ment'of a larger sum it would have offered a premium to bastardy.
      Fix t [8]
    Person ID I31  Geniaus Family Tree
    Last Modified 25 May 2016 

    Father Nelson Frederick William,   b. Bef 31 Jan 1818, ,,,England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 21 Nov 1852, Ship Bombay,,At sea Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age > 34 years) 
    Mother Lockett Elizabeth Wright,   b. 1818, ,Dorchester, Dorsetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Oct 1882, 73 St. David Street, Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 64 years) 
    Married 1840  ,Dorchester, Dorsetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F40  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Elms Joseph Benjamin,   b. 15 Jan 1831, ,Poplar, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 18 Nov 1921  (Age < 90 years) 
    Married 7 May 1861  St Peters Church of England Eastern Hill, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    • Conducted by James Gilbertson in the presence of G. T. ? and Elizabeth Nelson
    Notes 
    • Eliza sues James for assault. Case dismissed. They are living apart at this time. [4]
    Children 
     1. Elms Joseph Benjamin,   b. 1861, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1862, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 1 years)
     2. Elms Emma Jane,   b. Bef 1863,   d. Bef 1921  (Age < 58 years)
     3. Elms Ann Elizabeth,   b. 1863, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1926, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 63 years)
     4. Elms Eliza Ann,   b. 18 Sep 1864, Rupert Street, East Collingwood, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 29 May 1941, 22 Eurella Street, Burwood, NSW, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 76 years)
     5. Elms Alfred William Stout,   b. 1866, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 May 1928, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 62 years)
     6. Elms Joseph,   b. 1867, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
     7. Elms Edward James,   b. Abt 1868, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Mar 1922, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 54 years)
     8. Elms Frederick Benjamin,   b. 1869, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 May 1958, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 89 years)
     9. Elms Alice Mary,   b. 6 Feb 1871, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
     10. Elms Thomas Hocking,   b. 1873, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 Sep 1954, 33 Williams Street, Abbotsford, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years)
     11. Elms Lydia Sarah Florence,   b. 1875, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1896, ,,Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 21 years)
    Last Modified 13 Jun 2017 
    Family ID F38  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

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    Link to Google MapsBorn - 21 Jan 1843 - Saint Peter's, Dorchester, Dorsetshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 1851 - ,Lytchett Matravers, Dorsetshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsImmigration - Dec 1852 - ,,Victoria, Australia Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 7 Jun 1861 - Fife Street, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - Cause: Arterio sclerosis, gangrene of leg, heart failure. - 18 Nov 1921 - 96 Ramsden Street, Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBuried - 19 Nov 1921 - New Melbourne Cemetery,, Victoria, Australia Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S23] Birth Certificate.

    2. [S38] 1851 English Census, Dorset > Lytchett Matravers > District 3a > Page 3.

    3. [S19] Marriage Certificate.

    4. [S60] The Argus (Melboourne), 1 4 1874.

    5. [S24] Death Certificate.

    6. [S57] Victorian BDMs, Reg. C. Hill 1921 13525. Aged 83. .

    7. [S2833] The Age (Melbourne), 19 November 1921 p7.
      ELMS, — On the I8th November, at 93 Ramsden-
      street, Clifton Hill, Eliza Ann, relict of the late
      Joseph Elms; dearly loved mother of Ann Eliza
      beth Brown, 30 Council-street Clifton Hill; grand
      mother of Thomas, Ethel, Arthur, Daisy, Walter,
      Lily, Leslie, Horace, Francis, Harold; great grand
      ma of Leonard, Annie, Lawrie, Mavis, Allan, Ray
      mond, Eric, Doris, Alma, William, Ettie, Arthur,
      Gladys, Edna, Romie, Wallace and Marjory, aged
      83 years.
      ELMS. — On the 18th November, at Ramsden-
      street, Clifton Hill, Eliza Ann, relict of the late
      Joseph, beloved mother of Fredrick, grandmother of
      Denis, Catherine, Fredrick, Veronica, Lorenzo,
      Bernardine, Gertrude, Matthew and Patricia; great
      grandma of Vera, Percy, Gladstone, Allan and
      Kathleen, Clarke, Lawrence, Kevin Elms and Freddy
      Elms, aged 83 years. Rest in peace.
      — Inserted by Fredrick and Annie Elms, 189
      Argyle-street, Fitzroy.

    8. [S60] The Argus (Melboourne), Saturday 18 August 1860 Page 5.